Perth 4WD Course Testimonials

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Read what our Perth four-wheel drive course attendees have to say.

See what some of our four-wheel drive training course participants from Perth – Western Australia, had to say about senior four-wheel drive instructor-trainer Glynn Williams and the many different available 4WD courses that Western Wilderness 4WD & Survival Training has to offer.

October 21, 2020
My wife and I did a full day 4WD course with Glynn from Western Wilderness before we set out on a family camping trip to Karajini. It was the best preparation we could have done.

We recently purchased a Landrover Discovery so the course was fantastic, not only for learning techniques for driving in different terrain (large rocks, gravel, inclines, declines, deep sand), but also to experience the capability of our own car. We came away with a greater knowledge of recovery techniques (do’s and don’ts) and confidence in our own car.

Aside from all the learning, the course was great fun and Glynn was always quick with joke and a story. His experiences in 4WD around the world are awesome. We’ll be signing up for the next level course in the near future.
Drew
Wembley
October 14, 2020
We all really enjoyed our Bush/Sand 4WD course last weekend. Glynn was very entertaining and more importantly we all learned many great tips for our future explorations.
Glynn's knowledge was exceptional and has given us more confidence in our own abilities as well as our vehicle's.
I highly recommend the course to everyone.
Thanks to you and Glynn for a really fun day out.
Tim
Mosman Park
October 12, 2020
Glynn was a great instructor, and enabled everyone to appreciate their cars' 4wd capabilities and increase their confidence as drivers.
I was quite nervous/anxious at the beginning of the day, but throughout the day that feeling disappeared and I really enjoyed the experience of driving on both the bush and sand tracks.
I would definitely recommend the course to others, and I may even do another course myself at some point, for more practical experience within the safe learning environment the courses provide!
Thank you again to Glynn, for the day of teaching, his enthusiasm and also patience (even with me being quite a slow learner particularly with using the tyre deflators!)
Lauren
Kewdale
September 21, 2020
I will be recommending you to all my friends. I had a great day and learnt so much about 4 wheel driving . Glynn did an excellent job and added a bit of humour to go with all the teaching . Very professional and friendly and included everyone in the group at all times. I was surprised at how little I knew about 4 wheel driving . Down the track I will come and do the Recovery course .
Wish you both all the best and will be seeing Glynn again .
Paul
Wandi
September 20, 2020
The course was ABSOLUTELY amazing!
Ron
Perth
September 15, 2020
My son and I found the course to be incredibly informative and great value for money.
The Presenter, Glynn, was very professional and approachable and we left feeling empowered to do more off road adventures.
We will be back to do more courses in the future.
Dion
Newman
September 6, 2020
Having attended a day out with a 4wd club in a similar location previously I wasn't sure I would learn too much on the course. I could not have been more wrong.
We hadn't even left the meeting point and I had already learnt more about 4 wheel drives in general and my vehicle in particular!
Glynn is extremely experienced and knowledgeable and is a genuine nice guy. You get the feeling he just loves helping people out
and I always felt full trust in him and his teachings. If you are considering doing a course yourself, without a doubt book Glynn.
Matt
Mt Hawthorn
September 1, 2020
'Glynn is highly knowledgeable in his field and fills you with confidence from the minute you meet him. I think you would struggle to find someone with as much experience as Glynn and you can be sure to take away lots from his courses. You can see teaching is not just Glynn’s job it his passion and it shows with how he ensure he meets everyones needs. Look forward to my next course with Glynn.
Myles and Family
Banksia Grove
September 1, 2020
Attended the sand and bush course as a novice 4wd'er with my son in law who is experienced and we both learnt all kinds of things.
The explanations, followed by the practical and then a review of what we did, and why, is a great way to learn.
Glynn is knowledgeable, has heaps of experience and a great story teller.
(Will even admit to repeating one of his dad jokes 🤣)
Seriously, was worth every cent, thank you I feel so much more confident now.
Caron
Baldivis
August 29, 2020
It was awesome!!! I thought Glynn was doing a fabulous job of mixing theory and practice. He certainly knew details of each vehicle and how to drive them, as well as using all the features of my own car during the day.
I've been raving about the day to everyone I meet. I'm also looking to use my new skills, and maybe in time another course.
Thanks so much for sharing your expertise on the day.
Stuart
Madeley
August 12, 2020
Had an amazing day, full of emotions and learnings !! Definitely made me more confident, and learnt a lot about the car !!
Sophie
Coolbellup
August 6, 2020
It was an amazing experience and Glynn was an absolute gentleman with a wealth of knowledge and experience which was passed in a very relaxed and enjoyable environment.
I will definitely be recommending this course to others and may return with my wife for an enjoyable day out.
Leon
Perth
August 6, 2020
We had a great day out learning the ins and outs of 4WDriving and about my 4WD specifically. Glynn was a great teacher, and guided us through the terrain, but always encouraged us to really get to know our 4WD and how it felt across different conditions. We drove over more terrain than I was expecting, which was excellent as we built confidence in the car and ourselves driving it!
I would highly recommend the course, as my mate and I really feel we know what the 4WD is doing now and how it's reacting to different driving and modes.
Khush
Padbury
August 2, 2020
Julie and I attended the Western Wilderness 4WD and Recovery course on 2 August 2020. It was a full day and with just 4 vehicles, everyone got maximum exposure to the training. I looked at other courses however most have 6 or more participants which limits the "hand on" training for those involved. This number was well balanced.
Glynn was obviously very experienced in this field and was recommended to me by one of my clients who referred to him as being passionate about his work which became very apparent at an early stage in the course. It was a bit of a shame with the "Dad Jokes" however we passed through that .
This is my second 4WD however I have never realised my vehicles potential particularly in sand and rough terrain and how to approach challenges in a structured manner. We are mature aged and not into the "crash and bash" mentality of some 4WD owners as we would like to enjoy ours for some years yet and at the same time protect our environment. In saying that we would like to enjoy the benefits of going (safely) to places that on-road vehicles cannot .
We have already recommended the course to our family and friends and hope that they take the opportunity to advance their skills in their 4WD. I wish I had attended the course 20 years ago!
John
Perth
July 30, 2020
My partner and I booked this course so that we could get some experience driving on bush and sand tracks prior to our trip to northwest Australia. Our expectations were absolutely blown away. Glynn is a fantastic instructor who is extremely knowledgeable about all things 4wd and wilderness. We started the day with limited knowledge and confidence around 4wding and left feeling absolutely comfortable on dunes and rough bush tracks alike. The knowledge Glynn passed on about how all of the systems within our car work and how to make them work the best in the given situation has enabled us to depart for our holiday with the confidence that we need to assess every situation and whether we are capable. I expressly recommend that anyone planning to do any 4wding undertakes this course with Western Wilderness.

You will be 100% better off for it. It will give you peace of mind, best safety practices, skills, knowledge and the confidence to use them. Even more than that, you will thoroughly enjoy the scenery of the day exploring the wilderness. It is like a wilderness tour and training course rolled into one.
Dee and Andrew
Bicton
July 20, 2020
If you own a 4WD take this course!!!
I drove into the course extremely inexperienced and scared of 4WDing and drove out experienced and confident.
We had such a great day and learnt a lot.
Thank you so much Glynn
Charlene
Ellenbrook
July 19, 2020
We arrived for our Basic 4WD course with Glynn, to find that we were the only car for the day with the others pulling out due to illness. It turned out to be a blessing! Glynn was incredibly welcoming and flexible. After some discussion we decided that we would be better served spending some time on the soft beach type sand, as that was where we were lacking a lot of confidence and trust in our vehicle. We spent the day asking every question we could think of, trying out different scenarios, testing our driving and the car. But mostly we gained confidence! Glynn knew what he was doing and was able to put us in situations that meant we could learn to trust the car's capabilities and our abilities.

The next day we were due to go out beach driving with some friends. During the drive one of our friends ended up in a very sticky situation. Because of the training, experience and newfound trust and confidence we had in both our ability and the car, we were able to get ourselves and our friends out safely. I truly believe without the knowledge and confidence we had gained the day before with Glynn, we would not have been able to safely assist our friends and ensure everyone was able to return home.

We will be forever grateful for the wisdom we gained from Glynn. Thank you so much...and even if you don't see us again... we will be sure to send others your way.
Beth and Martin
South Fremantle
July 15, 2020
We had an amazing day and learned a lot from Glynn. He presented scenarios in a light hearted and educational way and catered to each person's level of experience. We left the day exhausted but excited to put what we have learned into practice. We are so happy that Glynn was recommended to us on a recent camping trip and we would also highly recommend the course to anyone wanting to learn how to get the best out of their vehicle. Glynn was able to cater to the differing vehicles at the course easily. He was very knowledgeable and communicated clearly throughout the entire course.
While a little daunted to go 'solo' we are keen to put what we have learnt into practice and won't hesitate to attend future courses to further educate ourselves on how to make the most of our investment!
Thanks so much
Ange and Eddie
Mount Helena
July 14, 2020
What a great experience we had with Glynn on the Bush and Sand Course! Being complete novices with a 4 x 4, it was fabulous to be taught firstly about all the functions/controls on our vehicle and then putting it into practice on the tracks. Without this course we would not have the confidence to take our car on the terrains we did. Glynn is so knowledgeable and patient and explains things very clearly and is not at all condescending when asked what may be obvious questions to others. He is the Bear Grylls of the 4 x 4!! His enthusiasm is endless and the 10 hour day flew by! We have never had so much fun and learnt so much on any course we have attended. Thanks Glynn you are a legend and if you ever pass the Jeep with bits falling off, pick them up for us!!!
Can’t recommend you highly enough.
Camilla and Harvey
City Beach
July 10, 2020
I took the course having not been off road and felt comfortable from the start. Glynn walked everyone through the theory and then explained how this works for everyone's car specifically. The all-day bush and sand course was a great day and I definitely learnt how to drive in various terrain, how to utilise the abilities of the car and enjoy it. With the sand driving, you learn more than what you read online about dropping the pressures to understand what your looking to achieve and get the perfect level - but also how to best recover.
I will definitely be back to complete the recovery course and I would definitely recommend this course to anyone - its a small cost to learn the good way of doing things
Glynn was a great instructor which made the experience both fun and enjoyable.
Vince
Carlisle WA
July 9, 2020
The Bush and Sand Course was great value for money and very informative. We had an excellent day out with Glynn who was incredibly helpful and experienced. All round we began the day knowing next to nothing and left the day feeling fully confident in 4WDing in these terrains, and also in using our gear. Couldn't recommend it enough.
Alex and Jordan
Perth WA
July 3, 2020
The Bush and Sand course was fantastically run and was absolutely worth it! Glynn is incredibly knowledgeable and a great teacher, and I feel both informed and confident after having spent the day driving with him.
Daniel
Hamersley WA
June 29, 2020
We had a fantastic day putting our 4x4's through their paces. The mix of driving in both bush and sand conditions has given me a lot more confidence to take the car places I wouldn't have considered before. Glynn's knowledge and experience was evident as he took three novices to confident drivers in varying conditions. I'd highly recommend Western Wilderness 4WD to anyone who wants to learn the basics, or hone their off-road skills.
Stu
Perth - WA
June 29, 2020
Completed the Bush and Sand Course on the rainiest day of the year with Western Wilderness.
It was awesome!!! Glynn is the most knowledgeable and hardest working Expert Guru of 4wd techniques.
The knowledge and skills learnt on the day were put to good use in the mud and sand, all participants left with large grins on their faces.
I look forward to checking out some more courses with western Wilderness and look forward to a few more dad jokes from Glynn.
Glen
Beckenham - WA
June 29, 2020
We both enjoyed the course very much, Glynn was very good and the inclement weather only added to the fun. We learnt a lot and gained real confidence in the car, it was great to do it together so that later on when we are on the road together we have a similar idea of what the car can do and how we should do it.
Mark
North Fremantle - WA
June 29, 2020
What an outstanding day of four wheel drive instruction. Glynn is an exceptional teacher and his knowledge of four wheel drive theory, information about every vehicle and the really warm hearted and positive way that he responds to all participants made this bush and sand course quite superb. The three of us attended with very little understanding of four wheel driving and we left with newfound confidence and excitement about the future possibilities of four wheel drive excursions and holidays. If you want to find out more about your vehicle and it and your capabilities, then this course is a must. We now have a real passion for getting out in the bush and sand to experience much more of our amazing country.
Thank you so much, Glynn, we will be returning for further training in the future.
Mark, Pam and Charlie
Dunsborough WA
June 28, 2020
Recently did the Bush & Sand 4wd course with Glynn. Fantastic day! Glynn’s enthusiasm and passion made this extremely enlightening and valuable training day fun and enjoyable. We booked this course at the beginning of a 3 week holiday to the Pilbara. The skills and knowledge attained from the course gave us the ability and confidence to safely venture on numerous 4wd only tracks. We were able to see and explore many places we would have previously been reluctant to travel. We could not rate the course more highly. Thank you Glynn!
Penny & Vanessa
Bunbury - WA
June 17, 2020
We recently completed the Bush & Sand course and highly recommend it to anyone looking to get the best out of their 4WD.
As first time 4WD owners, we left the course with complete confidence in our vehicle and understanding how it performs in both bush and sand terrain.
Glynn was amazing and passed on his extensive knowledge with passion and enthusiasm.
Looking forward to hitting the tracks and practicing what we learnt.
Brenden
Perth - WA
June 17, 2020
Having just bought a 4x4 for the first time I was keen to get out and explore WA. However I was very aware that I was the A-typical "all the gear and no idea" candidate who you'd find bogged and in trouble on any given beach/track across Australia. After a recommendation from a friend I booked up and very glad I did. Glynn talked us through every part of the process as to how to stay safe and perform well on the sand. The information and tips were invaluable and I left feeling confident with both my vehicles and my own ability to hit the beach. Great course, personally tailored to your vehicle. 10/10.
Ricardo
Perth - WA
June 15, 2020
We had a great time with Western Wilderness and went from total novices to being comfortable with off road driving in a fun and engaging environment. Would absolutely recommend to anyone who wants to get into 4wding or even experienced drivers wanting to develop their technical knowledge.
Jacob
Hillarys - WA
June 13, 2020
I had a fantastic time on the bush and sand course. Glynn was a great instructor, where his many years of experience shone through not just in his technical knowledge, but also in his ability to facilitate the course and communicate his knowledge simply and effectively.
I began the course with very little experience and have walked away with the confidence in my ability to handle my 4WD appropriately in a variety of conditions. Highly recommended.
Ben
Perth
June 8, 2020
Thanks Glynn for a terrific day on the Bush and Sand course. As a complete novice we finished the day full of confidence in ourselves and our 4WD. Glynn is able to transfer his extensive knowledge simply and effectively balanced with plenty of humor along the way.
Rhys
Kardinya
June 2, 2020
I arrived at the meeting point in the morning not really knowing what to expect from the day and not really knowing my 4WD and what it can do. We spent the first half of the day in the woods and bush. The conditions were slippery after recent rain so I thought this was going to be a challenge. We started off on the gravel roads and learn how to safely negotiate these conditions going uphill and downhill, through deep pools of water that had developed, gained an understanding of what to look for when crossing water and when to look for other options. Using the manual function in the gears was a whole new concept for me and greatly improved my management of the car in the conditions. We played around with different setups in the high v’s low range which was very interesting and fun at the same time. Who knew there were more than one way to get up a hill 😊
After lunch we spent the afternoon getting to know our 4WD’s in the deep sand tracks to the north of Wanneroo. We played around with the different tyre pressures, understanding the reasoning for each and using the gears as we had learned in the morning session. Glynn managed to bog his car on purpose and we worked through the steps required to get it out which was interesting to all.

Major things I learnt that I didn’t know –
• Manual gearing gives you much greater control than the automatic drive option
• Optimum tyre pressures for driving on sand for my vehicle
• How to get out if you get bogged deep in sand
• How to use a deflator and compressor
• The recovery points on my new car are not actually recovery points, just tie down points when on the boat

Glynn was great company throughout the day and his life experiences were very interesting to hear about. His sense of humour was refreshing and his attention to detail was second to none.
Shayne
Duncraig WA
May 23, 2020
I had a great day with Glynn and learnt a lot about my car capabilities. Now, i have enough confidence to drive on beach and bush by myself. Thanks to Glynn's valuable advise and experience.
Sam
Perth WA
May 20, 2020
I had a fantastic time on the sand and bush course.
Glynn is an excellent teacher and really knows his stuff I can’t recommend this course enough.
If you want to learn about 4 wheel driving and have fun in the process, Glynn from Western Wilderness 4WD is the man you need.
Thanks again
Dan
Perth
May 20, 2020
Hi Teresa and Glynn
I’d Like to thank you both for providing me with such a welcoming and informative experience on the Bush and sand course.
I’m especially appreciative for Glynn’s ability to embrace all of my mistakes and lack of knowledge and turn them into a positive moment for learning. Glynn’s approach to safety through all aspects of four wheel driving and his knowledge that LESS IS MORE provided a solid new understanding and contrast to my long-held beliefs about 4x4 Driving
I highly recommend anyone interested in four-wheel driving that has any level of experience spend a day with Glynn. I’ll be recommending Western Wilderness to everyone I know.
Ron
Perth
March 28, 2020
Thanks, Glynn, for an incredible day! We learnt so much!
We booked the Bush and Sand Course and had the most amazing time!
When we started the day we were pretty insecure how to use and treat our 4WD the right way. Already after a few hours my partner and I felt much more confident and we left the course with such a good feeling and trust in our car. We can’t wait to go on our next trip to practice what we learnt.
Glynn has an amazing knowledge and is happy to share it in a very interesting and patient way.
Thanks again!😀 Highly recommended!!!
Steffi
Perth WA
February 21, 2020
Completed the bush and sand course yesterday and found the whole experience extremely enjoyable and well worth the money.
Found out more about my cars capabilities in the 10 hour course that I had in my previous three years of ownership.
Now feel confident to take the car to places we have missed out on before, let the adventure begin , all thanks to Glynn and his superb training
Paul
Tapping Western Australia 6065
February 20, 2020
Hands-down the best, most informative & enjoyable course I have ever undertaken.
Can not recommend highly enough – What a legend!
Shay
Ellenbrook
February 19, 2020
Glynn is a brilliant trainer who shares his vast knowledge and enthusiasm for 4WDing freely.
The Bush and Sand course gave us an understanding of the mechanics of 4WDing and a thorough knowledge of and confidence in our own vehicle.
The course was really enjoyable and the best value we've come across for ages. We will definitely be back in Winter for a 'mud" course.
We cannot recommend Glynn and Western Wilderness highly enough for 4WDing training.
Sheila: 19 February 2020
Sheila
Perth WA
February 19, 2020
Glynn is a brilliant trainer who shares his vast knowledge and enthusiasm for 4WDing freely.
The Bush and Sand course gave us an understanding of the mechanics of 4 WDing and a thorough knowledge of and confidence in our own vehicle.
The course was really enjoyable and the best value we've come across for ages. We will definitely be back in Winter for a 'mud" course.
We cannot recommend Glynn and Western Wilderness highly enough for 4WDing training.
Sheila & Eric
Currambine, WA, 6028
February 8, 2020
My husband and I had a great day yesterday with Glynn on the bush & sand course.
We learnt so much about our car, it’s capabilities and ours too! Glynn covered everything we need to know to get started on our 4x4 adventures.
He’s patient, knowledgeable and professional.
We were a group of 3 cars and we all got 1:1 training.
Such a fun day and well worth the $$. Glynn’s a champion. Loved it and would highly recommend.
Andrea
Cooloongup, WA, 6168
February 2, 2020
Had a great day out on the sand & bush course. Learnt new and interesting things.
Glynn is extremely knowledgeable and very experienced. He really helped us understand the capabilities of our car. Highly recommend doing the course.
Will definitely be booking in for Glynn's other courses.
Thanks again
Michelle
Tapping, WA, 6065
January 19, 2020
Best Personal Care.
Top Day with Glynn! Highly Recommended!
Nadja & Eric
Germany (touring Australia)
November 17, 2019
We had a fantastic time with Glynn.
He's extremely knowledgable and genuinely happy to pass his knowledge on.
Coming in as a novice, after a few hours with Glynn I now feel very confident about driving in sand, knowing how to treat our car and use the equipment.
I do wholeheartedly recommend Glynn's course.
Isabel
Hamilton Hill, 6163
November 13, 2019
We cannot recommend Glynn at Western Wilderness enough!
Having never done any off road driving by the end of this course I’m ready to go!
Glynn knowledge of all things off road is gold standard , we didn’t want the day to end.
👍🏼⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Kirsty
Applecross Perth, WA, 6153
February 21, 2018
Sound driving explanation & experience – was the best and most informative I’ve had.
Custom training ground for explaining basic 4wd principals was excellent and really drove in the lesson.
Knowledge, passion & personality of the instructor is second to none. Perfect course for remote work.
Dean – Exploration Team Boss
Doubleview
January 19, 2018
This was a fantastic course, had a great day learning about 4WD and also sharing some stories. Thank you so much.
Rebecca
Tourist Tick
January 19, 2018
Awesome training, excellent guide. Learnt a lot.
Alana
Tourist Tick
January 6, 2018
Confidence booster & investment in knowledge for future 4WD expeditions. Fun but very responsible.
Heather & Kim
Melville
January 6, 2018
Learnt an amazing amount in a short time. Excellent, enjoyable and an amazing experience. After 3 hours, drove back over terrain that I would have never attempted before. Highly recommended.
Dr Grice
Mandurah
October 28, 2017
Excellent course leader, easy going making the learning process a whole lot more enjoyable.
Feroz
Harrisdale
October 28, 2017
We had a great time with our trainer. We learned new things. A lot of useful info about our 4WD. Will definitely recommend to others.
Argin
Piara Waters
September 30, 2017
Learnt things I never even considered before. Brilliant, Excellent, very knowledgeable & humorous. Taught Bear Grylls everything he knows! Have attended may courses – both professional & leisure and this was easily one of the most enjoyable, well delivered and “fun” courses I have ever had the pleasure of being on.
Richard
Willagee
September 3, 2017
Great Course, good to see the capabilities of our vehicle. Looking forward to the sand course.
Andrew & Bronwyn
Noranda
June 10, 2017
Glynn’s approach and method of teaching, transfer of knowledge was excellent and I felt he customized it so I got what I wanted out of it, taking into account the capability of my vehicle. I have, and will recommend Western Wilderness to many others.
Mick
Sorrento
March 31, 2017
Really couldn’t have asked for any better! Glynn’s knowledge, communication, patience and attitude is all A1 top notch. Will happily spread the good word on Western Wilderness.
Jason
Marangaroo
January 17, 2017
Another fantastic day out learning so much and amazed at what the car can do. Look forward to putting it all into practice. Thank you Glynn, for another great & informative day!
Kat & Sandro
Baldivis
December 23, 2016
Fantastic day, shared lots of common sense "need to know" stuff. Made us feel very welcome & confident in what we were all doing. Highly recommend. Look forward to doing the sand course.
Kat & Sandro
Baldivis
December 18, 2016
I would recommend WW4WD to all amateur 4WD enthusiasts to go & make themselves familiar with the intricacies' & safe way of driving & enjoying the fantastic outback we have in Australia. I absolutely enjoyed the course & wish Glynn all the best and thanks for such a wonderful experience.
Shailendra
Piara Waters
December 9, 2016
Absolutely fantastic. Glynn was so generous with his time & expertise. Amazing value for money. I will highly recommend this course to others.
Gabrielle
Balga
October 1, 2016
Glynn is the most amazing teacher & has helped us to go away on holidays with the tools & knowledge we need to have a safe & enjoyable trip.
Paul
Mosman Park
September 10, 2016
One of the nicest men I have met as a trainer. Will definitely recommend to peers. 5 Stars.
Dr Khan
Bedford
July 3, 2016
Excellent knowledge & delivery - relevant hands on & informative. Lots of great positive feedback. Amazing upbeat enthusiasm. Absolutely loved it. Would recommend Glynn highly.
Mark & Fiona
Noranda
March 5, 2016
Great variety, great knowledge - contagious enthusiasm - very passionate.
[Appeared on Australian Survivor]
Kate
Wembley
February 12, 2016
Excellent course, well presented, very thorough and transferred knowledge in a very easy way. Would definitely suggest newcomers to do the course for safety, learning about your vehicle, and reading the tracks etc.
Terry
Brabham
February 4, 2016
Absolutely feel more confident. We didn't realise much more there was to learn about our car! Now we know...Thanks Glynn. Looking forward to exploring places we would have previously avoided.
J Hall & A Kat
South Perth
October 24, 2015
Fantastic Course. Exceeded my expectations. I've learnt not only what my car is capable of but my own capabilities. Will continue with this company for other courses.
Mark
Madeley
December 14, 2014
Fantastic. Glynn is very calm & talks you through the situation. Because he is calm, he made us feel very calm. Great day and I now feel confident knowing my car better.
Maggie
Woodvale